dangerdedame replied to your post “Apparently my SIL objects to the ice bucket challenge because they use…”
What’s problematic about using stem cells? From her point of view, I mean.
Like a lot of anti-choicers, she objects to the use of stem cell lines because they are developed from IVF embryos. Never mind the countless actual human beings that stem cell research can help. (She may believe that stem cells come from aborted fetuses, even though that’s not actually possible; it’s a common belief among anti-choicers, and I know that she thinks that IUDs are abortifacient, so I wouldn’t be surprised.)
Apparently my SIL objects to the ice bucket challenge because they use stem cells in ALS research.*
I unfollowed her on FB when it became apparent that I was going to bankrupt us donating to abortion funds every time she posted about the Crisis Pregnancy Centers she supports, but spouse has just started using FB again and felt compelled to share this with me.
*There are real resource issues to be considered re: water, but that’s not what she’s got a problem with.
I got someone from high school on Facebook coming into MY HOUSE with some “but consider ADOPTION” bullshit.
FREE ABORTION ON DEMAND.
choosechoice-deactivated2014081 said: Your stance on pro choice midwives and OBs makes me really, really upset as a pro choice midwifery student. I value my patients. I’ve gone through pregnancy losses myself. I know how it hurts to lose a wanted pregnancy. I will do everything possible to spare my patients that pain and ensure they have a healthy pregnancy, because I value their lives and their choices. Midwifery is one of the most prochoice jobs out there, especially historically when midwives were the ones to perform abortions.
I’m sorry, it just seems kinda weird to me that someone who is pro-choice would even want a job like that. That’s like a pro-lifer becoming an abortionist. It makes no sense.
Even so, I’m sure most pro-choicers who are midwives would hopefully act professionally and not push their views of abortion onto their patients.
It makes perfect sense- pro choice doesn’t mean “everyone should have an abortion”. It means that the pregnant person has the choice what to do with their pregnancy, whether to abort, adopt or keep it. Those last two choices are where a midwife comes in. Unlike a pro life abortionist, the pro choice midwife has no conflict with their beliefs.
Is it also a contradiction for me to want children? For me to mourn my miscarriages?
Do you honestly think that we want to push every pregnant person into an abortion?
Anti-choicers want to force everyone to abide by their views, and because they’re so self-centered, they believe everyone else wants to force their beliefs on people too.
When people wish to do harm to or take something away from others, they often justify their actions by convincing themselves that it’s the other way around.
People who steal without remorse will say “It’s a dog eat dog world, they would have done the same to me.”
People who murder or assault out of hatred and bigotry claim they were protecting themselves from imminent violence.
And people who want to take away others’ bodily autonomy and right to choose convince themselves that the pro-choice movement is trying to do the same.
I would never ever see a pro-life midwife, personally.
There are good reasons not to see a medical practitioner who has an ideology that could lead them to see their patient’s health and wishes as a secondary concern.
This is why I chose insurance that was not connected to the Catholic hospital when I first came to Madison. I didn’t ever want to be forced into that situation. I would never knowingly see an anti-choice healthcare provider; I’ve had more than enough experiences of abuse and violated autonomy at the hands of doctors.
And incidentally, NOTHING reminds me of the importance of reproductive rights like actually being pregnant. During this past very much wanted, planned pregnancy, I set up recurring donations to two different abortion funds, because everyone should have full, MEANINGFUL bodily autonomy.
"They are not brood mares for those who cannot bear their own children."
There are nearly 400,000 children in foster care in the United States. Nobody is entitled to someone else’s pregnancy.
It wouldn’t matter if there were 0 children in foster care in the United States; pregnant people still wouldn’t owe anyone shit.
i am pro life but i recognize why we need abortion to be legal and easy
as long as everyone is educated on noth the pros AND cons of abortion
bc there are pros yes
but it DOES affect u emotionally and physically and people need to know that and have alternative options
APPLAUSE FOR YOU SIR
"as long as everyone is educated on both the pros AND cons of having a kid
bc there are pros yes
but dealing with having to raise offspring for 18+ years DOES affect u emotionally and physically and people need to know that and have alternative options”
There are certainly some people who regret having had particular abortions. Like any other reproductive health “choice,” it can be made under coercion, whether personal (from family members or a partner) or structural (poverty, racism, etc.).
We absolutely need REAL “alternative options” for unplanned pregnancy—which means a total overhaul of our nearly non-existent social safety net: increased SNAP, straight cash benefits to low-income people, high-quality subsidized childcare and housing, federally mandated paid parental leave… However, statistically speaking, people who experience significant negative mental health or life outcome consequences from a particular abortion are a very small minority.
People who are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, however, suffer severe consequences, both in terms of mental health and life outcomes. Their negative outcomes are the norm for forced birth.
The problem with that, beyond the inherent sexism of it, is that there’s no real legal way to make women justify themselves, besides maybe making them sign a piece of paper that says, “I’m sorry I was a naughty girl who had sex. Can I please have my abortion now?” Roe v Wade sets things like time limits and Planned Parenthood v Casey says that there can be no “undue burden” to access, but the court decisions that shape abortion law don’t speak to “good” vs. “bad” reasons to have abortions, and for good reason. Abortion is medical treatment. It goes against basic medical ethics to require a patient to argue their moral worth before they are permitted access to health care they require."
THIS: "Abortion is medical treatment. It goes against basic medical ethics to require a patient to argue their moral worth before they are permitted access to health care they require."